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which way?

“Jesus at one point claimed to be “the way, the truth, and the life”.  Jesus was not making claims about one religion being better than all other religions.  That completely misses the point, the depth, and the truth.  Rather, he was telling those who were following him that his way is the way to the depth of reality.  This kind of life Jesus was living, perfectly and completely in connection and cooperation with God, is the best possible way for a person to live.  It is how things are.”

Velvet Elvis, Rob Bell

cigar suggestion – I had a Padron Maduro 6000 on Friday and this is a quality cigar.  It’s smooth and has a very rich flavor but not too rich.  It has a nice smooth finish as well.  Around $8. (It would be more around $5 except for the ridiculous new state and federal taxes.)

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Posted by on June 7, 2009 in theology


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…until that day…

The following thoughts  and links are some of the things that have been on my facebook page recently about inclusivism and exclusivism and hell. They are not cogent thoughts; just snippets.

Leslie Newbigin quotes that bear repeating while considering new paradigms: (for a great book on paradigm shifts read Thomas Kuhn’s, “Structure of Scientific Revolutions”

“But we are now entering a postmodern period, a time in which the seemingly assured assumptions we have inherited from the Enlightenment are being deconstructed.”

“Secondly, the phrase “until that day” reminds us that this is not a claim to possess final truth but to be on the way that leads us to the fullness of truth.”

“It will mean that my understanding of the truth must be constantly open to revision and correction, but — and this is the crucial point — only and always within the irreversible commitment to Jesus Christ.

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An interesting quote and article about Billy Graham and his thoughts on exclusivism and inclusivism (which seems to be topic of the year with me)  It is a singular quote and article and not his full encompassing view on the subject.

I have often wondered if Hell is a terrible burning within our hearts for God, to fellowship with God, a fire that we can never quench.

beer recommendation – Anchor Steam Pale Ale.  A quality, hoppy pale ale.

Anchor Steam Pale Ale - try it!

Anchor Steam Pale Ale - try it!

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Posted by on April 14, 2009 in theology


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harmoniously dissident orthodoxy

Just one quick thought I’m wrestling with until I post more.

People stand on different sides of the aisle with multiple theological issues.  One thought, of many that bounce around in my crazy head, is that it puzzles me how in the Christian Community we can be so divided on some sticky issues and believe that there is no merit or plausibility contained on the opposite side of a particular belief.  Sometimes we are divided so much as to disqualify people with differing opinions from leadership positions – which at times can be justified if an institution desires their leaders to all be of the same mindset without dissonance.  This has recently occurred at the church I’m going to, but I’m also speaking about this in big picture terms of other incidents in the church at large.  I spoke with a good friend about this on Thursday and what follows is basically what I shared with him.

To give a topical example:  currently I’m considering the merits of exclusivism and inclusivism.  I know of compelling ‘arguments’ on both sides for and against exclusivism and inclusivism.  What strikes me as confoundingly intriguing is how stalwarts of the faith are found on both sides of this aisle but mainstream denominations (‘denominations’ is a topic for another day, or maybe ‘denominations’ isn’t even worth belaboring) have decided that to belong to their denomination or church you can not hold an opposing view without repercussions.  C.S. Lewis denotes his support of inclusivism in, “The Last Battle” (Chronicles of Narnia) when Tash, a servant of a false God, stood before Aslan (Christ) and was shown mercy and thus given salvation.  I have belonged to churches where Lewis would not be allowed to teach or preach because of his endorsement of inclusivism.  Again, C.S. Lewis, a stalwart of the protestant faith, who has brought infinite, well, probably finite, but at least not easily calculated, glory to God, would not be allowed to teach.   That’s hard to understand.  While I might understand a church’s reason in that it’s reasoning is according to certain bylaws and such I still cringe at the thought of disqualifying someone’s eligibility because of such standards; especially someone such as C.S. Lewis!

To me, it seems as if some in the opposing camps are saying that their ideology is right and the other ideology is wrong (and vice versa) and that the two ideologies can never be harmonious (logically such stream of thought could be consistent).  It also seems that some people are saying that if you hold the opposing ideology as part of your theology we might not see you in Heaven partaking in some quality Schlafly pale ale alongside us.   Taking a holistic view of mine, theologically, such a hardline thought does not jive with me.  If I were to hold to such a thought it grieves me to think C.S. Lewis will not be in Heaven with me partaking in a pint or two; or if I’m in the other camp it grieves me as well to think that Ronald Nash will not be in Heaven.

I’m not sure if all that make sense in writing, but it makes sense to me.  If it doesn’t make sense feel free to comment and we can discuss this.  Or we can discuss this over a pint or two – which is my preferred method.

So as I sit here and wrestle with this thought I will leave you with a couple quotes which help me in my search to find a harmoniously dissident orthodoxy.

“I am the man who with utmost daring discovered what had been discovered before…I did, like all other solemn little boys, try to be in advance of the age…Like them I tried to be some ten minutes in advance of the truth.  And I found that I was eighteen hundred years behind it…When I fancied that I stood alone I was really in the ridiculous position of being backed up by all Christendom…I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered it was orthodoxy.”

– G. K. Chesterton, “Orthodoxy”

“Sometimes, honestly, I’ve felt like giving up and walking away in search of fresher healthier air.  But there’s something here that I love and can’t stop loving, and that something is actually Someone.”

– Brian McLaren, “A Generous Orthodoxy”.

Last night I enjoyed a Davidoff ‘bullet’ cigar. I forget the specific name of it, but it was a nice smooth 30 minute smoke.  Perfect for having while grilling without having to dedicate 1 hour of smoke time.


Posted by on March 28, 2009 in Uncategorized


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